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You can tell a lot about a man by those who are attacking him. I got this book before the general release and was surprised to find a lengthy review posted before I had even got a chance to start reading the book and again this was before the book was released. I suspected the reviewer was off on his review and simply doesn't get John's work or something is personally stirred and it is easier to dismiss those things that are hard to face than to face them. However, before I actually wrote a review I wanted to have read the entire book. I have now read the entire book and have to date read every book John has wrote and this is one of his best, though it builds upon the work he has done in other books so I don't think this is the book to start with as you need to understand what he is building on in this book to understand it.

I first wanted to dig into the book in digging into the review I read a while back and the problems it points out, or rather fails to point out, but labels the book any ways.

I would agree that we can't measure something just by the sales, but just because something has a lot of sales is also not reason to dismiss it. No book is sold more than the Bible and clearly we do not dismiss it simply because it sells the most of any book in the world.

What you will notice is that the book is attempted to be discredited as being unscriptural and having flaws by the reviewers remarks, but he gives no examples of what is unscriptural or flawed, it is merely a label and we can't dismiss something merely by labels.

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"Unfortunately, sales figures do not indicate which books are most faithful to Scripture (indeed, one could probably make an argument that sales figures are inversely proportional to theological faithfulness) and a large number of reviewers, myself included, have pointed out some troubling flaws with the book."

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To be called heresy sounds horrible and ungodly, never mind that Martin Luther was called this when he began and those who would say this book is out of touch with scripture and label it with out giving scripture to demonstrate such have no ground to stand on.

He then goes on to quote another book, throws in that it was edited by MacArthur to build upon the creditability of a well know Christian leader, and labels the book with, "an insufficient view of Scripture; an inadequate picture of God; an incomplete portrait of Christ; and an inaccurate portrait of man. In short, the book was deeply flawed." And yet gives not one example of any of these. This is what I find most critics who are slamming the work of Eldredge, label, label, label, but no meat, no scripture to back anything up.

As we read on in the review a good over view of the book is given, and then we see more labeling when the reviewer writes, "like Wild at Heart, there is much in this book that is both original and mighty strange." This is clearly something that can not be backed up scripture and is mere opinion. I could say this reviewer is mighty strange, but it is mere opinion, readers can determine what is normal and what is not, they do not need me telling them, but to call something or someone mighty strange sets it up to be seen as such.

He then says there are "explicit affirmations of anti-intellectualism (rare is the mystic who can also embrace a logical, intellectual relationship with God)" and yet gives us no examples from the book of such. More labeling and no substance.

Then he goes on to say, "one begins to wonder he is almost losing touch with reality." Again mere opinion, and one that within 6 months I would guess will not be the majority of reviews posted on this book...what is reality one could ask...can we be in it and be in the minority of views of the book? It would be a hard case to build upon, but I do agree that we can't always rely on sheer numbers.

He attempts to discredit such questions by Eldredge like, "How has God been wooing you? What has stirred your heart over the years?" To which any one who knows God should be able to say...yes. To woo is to pursue, love and stir ones heart with passion...do we think Jesus's heart was not moved when he drove money changers from the temple with a whip? Clearly it was not hate moving him to do such things, it was love and zeal for His fathers house.

He then goes on to say, "Another common concern with Wild at Heart was the fact that Eldredge often criticized fathers for their inadequacies. He goes further along that path in this book writing such blanket statements as `Most of our fathers are gone, or checked out, or uninitiated men themselves. There are a few men, a very few, who have fathers initiating them in substantive ways. Would that we all were so lucky." Has the person who wrote this review looked into reality and in our world? Fathers, marriages and family's are facing hard things in our culture and most are not making it out on top...it isn't so much that John is blaming the generation of fathers out there now as the cause of it all, it's a continous thing, their fathers did the same to them, it has to start with the father reading the book to be the change in the family lineage if it isn't already there. Being in church does not make a father a better father, divorce is just as present in most churches as out of them, and there are fathers who are better fathers who are out of the church than some in the church. It is not a matter of disrespecting fathers, it is a matter of being real and facing what is the truth in a man's life.

He goes on to say, "This book continually criticizes and even belittles fathers with sweeping generalizations. While I will grant that Eldredge does this in an attempt to convince men to become better fathers, such statements are rash and often disrespectful." And to this I simply say the reviewer does not get John Eldredge's message, the point isn't to criticize fathers, its to bring out the truth of ones relationship with their father. It isn't a matter of disrespect, it is a matter of respect. Love is never the easy choice, to remain blind to things that are not as they are to be or were to be, is not to respect. Respect is hard love at times.

He then goes on to again say, "It has the same inadequate view of Scripture, the same inadequate view of sin and the same emphasis on worldly therapy. It still argues from experience over Scripture, still twists Scripture to lead down all sorts of strange rabbit trails, and still draws as much (possibly even more) from film than from Scripture." And with this again, all labels, no examples, no scripture to back his review. Nothing. Zilch. Labels. Labels. And no substance.

He then goes on to criticize how Eldredge quotes from movies, and to this, we must first realize that there is nothing wrong with using cultural examples of biblical truthes to illustrate biblical truths. You must also realize that the power of the greater story, (things were once good, something bad happened, life was lost, a hero must come to save the day, against all odds, and life is found again.) is in all movies and stories that are great and do great in any culture or country, despite culture differences because they all borrower from the power of the greater story written on our hearts by God. God has written eternity on our hearts. As we begin see the truth of a world view that demonstrates again and again the truth of the scripture, it helps us to take ownership of it. Hence why John quotes so much from movies and let us not forget stories are the language of the heart, this is why Jesus used parables to teach, Jesus didn't just open the old testament and stand reading it all hours of the day, he used stories to teach the truths of the word. This is what Eldredge does with video and books. The reviewer doesn't understand this though it would seem.

He then goes on to say, "I can't help but think that the sheer weirdness of this book will drive many of them away." To which again, labeling and if my opinion has any weight, I loved this book, and it expands on this other work so well. I have grasped more of the message John is retelling through this book. It is one of his best, but you cant start with this book as it builds on his others and I don't think it will make as much since if one starts with this book.

We finally start to see the views of the reviewer, which are not so bold up until this point, "This book is a complete mess and it was a trial to read. At three hundred pages Eldredge says a lot, and yet it seems like he doesn't say much of anything. It is puff; it is filler; it is a near-complete waste of time. Avoid it." To which we now see the reviewer didn't enjoy or like the book, which is different than labeling it as He did through out his review. It is also interesting that if it was such a trial to read, why read it? If something is a waste of time, why keep doing it? It makes no since.

The book is a great work of Eldredge's, but it build upon his earlier work and I highly recommend reading more of his other work before reading this book. I would have missed much of what is in this book and its message if I didn't have the ears, eyes and heart to see and understand it having read his earlier works.

Read it and judge it for yourself. Don't take my word and don't let others deter you away on mere labels of authors and books, always look for the substance to what one says. The reviewer who posted his review on this book, had no substance in his review and I suspect that on which he pulled from for his review was much of the same or simply didn't understand the message Eldredge has.


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The Way of the Wild Heart A Map for the Masculine Journey John Eldredge 9780785206774 Books Reviews

n preparation for a up-and coming hike with my friend Dale, I decided to read this book. I read his first one and loved it. It was called "Wild at Heat." It is the best book I ever read for men and spirituality. In this hike, I am looking forward to the trip. The book certainly motivated me for this time in the woods. Because of this book, this journey is not about the woods as much about connecting to God. Being a minister, it is rare for me to get dirty and sweating, but my background in life is farming and manual labor. I need this hike for my heart. In the church we have taken God and placed him in the church building only. If you want God, find him on Sunday morning, but God is everywhere. In the encounters with God in the Bible, he never approaches the man in the building. This was the perfect book to inspire my future hike. Every man would be blessed by reading this journey. As I read it, my mind reflected back to my journey, it was a enjoyable experience.
In a world that is telling men to conform/emasculate/stop being dangerous, Eldredge breathes life into the dry bones of men by reaffirming God's purpose to love and protect us as his children. The reader is taken through each stage of the masculine journey, from the stages of boyhood to the wise old sage. Eldredge reveals how men get taken out of the battle by missing out/receiving a message at key moments in the indoctrination of masculinity. I can't tell you enough how core this is. I grew up without a father, and was fortunate enough to meet a group of men at my church that are my band of brothers. We have interceded where other men failed, to speak life into those generational losses in our hearts to bring healing to our hearts. This is imperative if we are to raise young men with hearts filled with love, passion, and conviction to fight for the beauty(women in our lives) through God's strength.
I highly recommend this book on so many levels.Elderidge brings the goods to the table .The book was well written,masculine and man up material to understand that rite of passage.Helped understand where the brokenness stems from..why..and in in a spiritual way how it can be healed if one is ready and willing to take the journey...takes courage.Praise you, Jesus for John and his journey...evangelistical journey that has helped so many men back to healing and a masculine spiritual loving relationship with the Almighty .It heals....I highly recommend..read it ..read it a couple times...understand that you are the beloved son..And your wife receives a better man ,your children..a better father.m...read "Epic" also
John Eldredge's brilliant followup to "Wild At Heart", this book is helping me in my later years to heal from traumas I didn't even know I had. can't say enough for his descriptive style and heady insights. In the book, he details the slings and arrows of following what he calls the "masculine journey", from boyhood into manhood with many poignant observations along the way. For those who would criticize the separateness of a "masculine" journey, as a close friend did recently, asking "why can't it just be the 'human' journey?" Answer imagine if Betty Fredan's "The Feminine Mystique" had simply been titled "The Human Mystique"? There are, in fact, differences in our gender journeys, and Eldredge's grasp of that fact and positive direction, including ultimate respect for the females in our lives, makes him a treasure in our complicated and compromised modern lives.
You can tell a lot about a man by those who are attacking him. I got this book before the general release and was surprised to find a lengthy review posted before I had even got a chance to start reading the book and again this was before the book was released. I suspected the reviewer was off on his review and simply doesn't get John's work or something is personally stirred and it is easier to dismiss those things that are hard to face than to face them. However, before I actually wrote a review I wanted to have read the entire book. I have now read the entire book and have to date read every book John has wrote and this is one of his best, though it builds upon the work he has done in other books so I don't think this is the book to start with as you need to understand what he is building on in this book to understand it.

I first wanted to dig into the book in digging into the review I read a while back and the problems it points out, or rather fails to point out, but labels the book any ways.

I would agree that we can't measure something just by the sales, but just because something has a lot of sales is also not reason to dismiss it. No book is sold more than the Bible and clearly we do not dismiss it simply because it sells the most of any book in the world.

What you will notice is that the book is attempted to be discredited as being unscriptural and having flaws by the reviewers remarks, but he gives no examples of what is unscriptural or flawed, it is merely a label and we can't dismiss something merely by labels.

-------------------

"Unfortunately, sales figures do not indicate which books are most faithful to Scripture (indeed, one could probably make an argument that sales figures are inversely proportional to theological faithfulness) and a large number of reviewers, myself included, have pointed out some troubling flaws with the book."

--------------------

To be called heresy sounds horrible and ungodly, never mind that Martin Luther was called this when he began and those who would say this book is out of touch with scripture and label it with out giving scripture to demonstrate such have no ground to stand on.

He then goes on to quote another book, throws in that it was edited by MacArthur to build upon the creditability of a well know Christian leader, and labels the book with, "an insufficient view of Scripture; an inadequate picture of God; an incomplete portrait of Christ; and an inaccurate portrait of man. In short, the book was deeply flawed." And yet gives not one example of any of these. This is what I find most critics who are slamming the work of Eldredge, label, label, label, but no meat, no scripture to back anything up.

As we read on in the review a good over view of the book is given, and then we see more labeling when the reviewer writes, "like Wild at Heart, there is much in this book that is both original and mighty strange." This is clearly something that can not be backed up scripture and is mere opinion. I could say this reviewer is mighty strange, but it is mere opinion, readers can determine what is normal and what is not, they do not need me telling them, but to call something or someone mighty strange sets it up to be seen as such.

He then says there are "explicit affirmations of anti-intellectualism (rare is the mystic who can also embrace a logical, intellectual relationship with God)" and yet gives us no examples from the book of such. More labeling and no substance.

Then he goes on to say, "one begins to wonder he is almost losing touch with reality." Again mere opinion, and one that within 6 months I would guess will not be the majority of reviews posted on this book...what is reality one could ask...can we be in it and be in the minority of views of the book? It would be a hard case to build upon, but I do agree that we can't always rely on sheer numbers.

He attempts to discredit such questions by Eldredge like, "How has God been wooing you? What has stirred your heart over the years?" To which any one who knows God should be able to say...yes. To woo is to pursue, love and stir ones heart with passion...do we think Jesus's heart was not moved when he drove money changers from the temple with a whip? Clearly it was not hate moving him to do such things, it was love and zeal for His fathers house.

He then goes on to say, "Another common concern with Wild at Heart was the fact that Eldredge often criticized fathers for their inadequacies. He goes further along that path in this book writing such blanket statements as `Most of our fathers are gone, or checked out, or uninitiated men themselves. There are a few men, a very few, who have fathers initiating them in substantive ways. Would that we all were so lucky." Has the person who wrote this review looked into reality and in our world? Fathers, marriages and family's are facing hard things in our culture and most are not making it out on top...it isn't so much that John is blaming the generation of fathers out there now as the cause of it all, it's a continous thing, their fathers did the same to them, it has to start with the father reading the book to be the change in the family lineage if it isn't already there. Being in church does not make a father a better father, divorce is just as present in most churches as out of them, and there are fathers who are better fathers who are out of the church than some in the church. It is not a matter of disrespecting fathers, it is a matter of being real and facing what is the truth in a man's life.

He goes on to say, "This book continually criticizes and even belittles fathers with sweeping generalizations. While I will grant that Eldredge does this in an attempt to convince men to become better fathers, such statements are rash and often disrespectful." And to this I simply say the reviewer does not get John Eldredge's message, the point isn't to criticize fathers, its to bring out the truth of ones relationship with their father. It isn't a matter of disrespect, it is a matter of respect. Love is never the easy choice, to remain blind to things that are not as they are to be or were to be, is not to respect. Respect is hard love at times.

He then goes on to again say, "It has the same inadequate view of Scripture, the same inadequate view of sin and the same emphasis on worldly therapy. It still argues from experience over Scripture, still twists Scripture to lead down all sorts of strange rabbit trails, and still draws as much (possibly even more) from film than from Scripture." And with this again, all labels, no examples, no scripture to back his review. Nothing. Zilch. Labels. Labels. And no substance.

He then goes on to criticize how Eldredge quotes from movies, and to this, we must first realize that there is nothing wrong with using cultural examples of biblical truthes to illustrate biblical truths. You must also realize that the power of the greater story, (things were once good, something bad happened, life was lost, a hero must come to save the day, against all odds, and life is found again.) is in all movies and stories that are great and do great in any culture or country, despite culture differences because they all borrower from the power of the greater story written on our hearts by God. God has written eternity on our hearts. As we begin see the truth of a world view that demonstrates again and again the truth of the scripture, it helps us to take ownership of it. Hence why John quotes so much from movies and let us not forget stories are the language of the heart, this is why Jesus used parables to teach, Jesus didn't just open the old testament and stand reading it all hours of the day, he used stories to teach the truths of the word. This is what Eldredge does with video and books. The reviewer doesn't understand this though it would seem.

He then goes on to say, "I can't help but think that the sheer weirdness of this book will drive many of them away." To which again, labeling and if my opinion has any weight, I loved this book, and it expands on this other work so well. I have grasped more of the message John is retelling through this book. It is one of his best, but you cant start with this book as it builds on his others and I don't think it will make as much since if one starts with this book.

We finally start to see the views of the reviewer, which are not so bold up until this point, "This book is a complete mess and it was a trial to read. At three hundred pages Eldredge says a lot, and yet it seems like he doesn't say much of anything. It is puff; it is filler; it is a near-complete waste of time. Avoid it." To which we now see the reviewer didn't enjoy or like the book, which is different than labeling it as He did through out his review. It is also interesting that if it was such a trial to read, why read it? If something is a waste of time, why keep doing it? It makes no since.

The book is a great work of Eldredge's, but it build upon his earlier work and I highly recommend reading more of his other work before reading this book. I would have missed much of what is in this book and its message if I didn't have the ears, eyes and heart to see and understand it having read his earlier works.

Read it and judge it for yourself. Don't take my word and don't let others deter you away on mere labels of authors and books, always look for the substance to what one says. The reviewer who posted his review on this book, had no substance in his review and I suspect that on which he pulled from for his review was much of the same or simply didn't understand the message Eldredge has.